WEBVTT 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:39.000 there was the option. It would be great if we could add the automated renewal, which I now believe that we have correct Erin. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.000 You can opt in for automatic renewal. not yet. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:49.000 What do you have some issues we're still dealing with yeah, Yeah, there's some issues there. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:55.000 Yeah, we we're maybe going to be able to do that. 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.000 And I have to figure out something with my wild up with the member platform. 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:07.000 Yeah. So that was definitely something that the was members that were attending in attendance this morning and would be interested in. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:14.000 And by the same token there were members that were like please don't put me on optimistic, because I want to know when the money's going out of my account. 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:19.000 So you know, which is again perfectly fine. So yeah, the are some questions. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:25.000 I believe as a poll that's one of the polls that would be sent out after the meeting today. 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.000 And yeah, and I see there's a question from someone in the chat about. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:36.000 If there's a then they did respond in in part Yeah, I think we are going to send out a poll as well. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:53.000 In terms of requiring the survey or not I think the issues, I think there might be issues that we don't think are issues like There's more issues than just the 3, for example, that might need accommodations 00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:05.000 that. So I think that's why, we need the information if we find that there are main categories later, then maybe we can modify that lists later. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:15.000 Again in terms of equity and inclusivity we didn't want to exclude any one's sauce potential needs to be addressed or accommodation. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:27.000 So we opted for the much longer list. Then a shorter list, trying to group people together that don't feel they need to be grouped. 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:33.000 I think. Yeah, I it was it's really useful beneficial discussions, actually. 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:50.000 So I hope that we've come to no no good kind of mix of options, and in that respect is that anything else that anyone wants to comment on or bring up about membership 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.000 Can I ask a quick question? Sorry this is Olivia. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:02.000 Hi! Would it be interesting to add some kind of like, Where are you originally? 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:17.000 From I just feel like for students specifically usually sometimes. we're not in our original countries like i'm not So I don't know. I think it would be interesting like I think especially coming from like the developing country I think it would be interesting for 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.000 me to add that I'm. from brazil but I am in the Us. 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.000 I don't know Yeah, no that's a great point. 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:39.000 It's actually something else that's that's in the words, it's one of the things in terms of the developing countries that we're working on is we're working on having people self identify as 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:46.000 being from a developing country and currently residing in and working or being a student in a developing country. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:54.000 Because right now the membership level is based on where you currently are and not where you're from. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.000 And so in terms of demographics, we're not getting very accurate demographic information. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:05.000 To assess our community and so yes that's actually what that that field that we're working on right now. 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:13.000 And so again. it's a matter of making sure it's done at all, where people can opt opt to choose it. 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:20.000 But it's in it's like a required field but we can have the preferring not to answer, and then actually assessing, 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:26.000 How What do we actually need to know about our membership in our community? 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:37.000 To make the goal, you know, to move forward with the society and make it more inclusive. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about membership levels, because, like I know that i'm in the Us. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:46.000 So I probably I and I like I get paid in dollars, so I do have the ability of paying a little bit more than people that are in Brazil getting paid in hey? 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:53.000 Eyes. I was just thinking about like really demographics you know, I think would just be interesting to see where people are from and where they are. 00:42:53.000 --> 00:43:00.000 Yeah, so it wasn't it wasn't really even like about like the level of the membership. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.000 It was just more of demographic data. Yeah, Yeah, Thank you. 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:11.000 And that type of information actually comes in in a few different sections. So it will. This will come up later. 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:18.000 But the word discussion about the like, all the things, new things, no other things that our society could do for this research. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:28.000 Deep Sea research community. I know one of them which apparently has been discussed in a few different forums, so we we might all gather together to try and get some leverage. 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:44.000 There, for instance, is like this seems to be a big gap in getting undergraduate students that masters and you know, of course, it costs money to then enable them to get the skills and the opportunity to move 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:59.000 on to do a PHD. So the funding gap appears to be masters level, and if we can get an idea of how many of our members are, you know, working in one country, but from another it helps us kind of get to grips 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:09.000 with the need for that and and potentially places to target, so that I think that information would be very useful 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:24.000 Oh, so Lisa is brought up. And are we interested in learning about member first, like native languages, and my screens just come in, and time zones to think further about ways to enhance inclusivity? 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.000 I mean i'm almost say we haven't already discussion about languages. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.000 Actually yeah, not recently in the past. we did. 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.000 There has been some discussions about offering our website in other languages. 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:40.000 There's platforms that could translate so once we finish updating it. 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:49.000 And then potentially, Yeah, Yeah, I guess we could cannot tie that into the ethnicity, as we're thinking about how to best represent. 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:54.000 Yeah, that would be again. I know the another kind of you know. 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.000 Unlimited way that we might be able to help people. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.000 So yeah, thank you. Yeah. and the time zone thing is really interesting. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:09.000 I hadn't thought about adding it. maybe to the number profile, but we've sent out polls in the past when we're holding events to try to get representation. 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:17.000 But maybe that would be a good way, not soon as the way of getting that information is now cups in a more permanent way. 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.000 If it was a link with the profiles. Okay. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:27.000 Well, we will be making notes of these and and start thinking about how we would actually too late. 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:35.000 I'm always putting ideas. okay, so it is not a good time of the day right now. 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.000 But it was a great time of the day this morning, for Professor Cha. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.000 Who and was kind enough to come online and give us an update. 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:50.000 And before I move on to a the Hong Kong Conference, which is obviously in a few years time. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:58.000 I believe that Eric actually has an update on some conferences that are going to be next year 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:07.000 I do, and i'm sorry temple band is playing right outside my window. background. 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:26.000 Music. it's atmospheric directly like so just quickly. I've been in touch with the organizers of the previous meetings and the future meetings of Dt Bio, the chemosynthetic-based 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:40.000 ecosystems and International symposium for deep sea corals to try and coordinate fundraising for all of the and development for all of the different conferences, and to share resources. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.000 And try and avoid hitting up the same donors over and over again. 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.000 For for something that may sound like the same gun anyway. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:55.000 So in May of next year we have the deep sea choral symposium coming up in Edinburgh. 00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:01.000 Chemo, synthetic ecosystems will be in August of 23. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:15.000 So in Brazil, and I know those are close together. but it's been a while for each of them, and they were really keen to get them going, and we're already kind of far along in there planning and Then of course the 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:25.000 next deep sea biology. Symposium will be january 25 in Hong Kong I don't. 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:31.000 I think that's something we should probably get on our website the list of conferences and dates. 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:37.000 I think that's a good idea We could do that and maybe some contact info for everybody. 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:51.000 They are coming up. you'll be hearing a lot more about these in the near future, and after the next after that cycle we'll try and get back on the one conference per year I know iteration. 00:47:51.000 --> 00:48:04.000 You know, covid's throwing everything into the blender. So to disarray him try again, but just to let you know that those are coming up That's actually really brilliant because we talked about you this morning. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:18.000 So it would be great And if we could add that into the email It's going to be sent out after the Agm room, because this morning we weren't sure about the dates for the Brazilian chemistry conference So we 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:25.000 should really feed that to obviously half of the membership who were you know, participating in that other time zone. 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:37.000 So. So yeah, that would be great. i'm super sharing fine key. And so i'm on to am looking even further ahead and in into Hong Kong. 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.000 So if I don't i'm sure that most of you will remember. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:49.000 But in this is really significant, and we do have a large body of our researchers and have active like working the West specific region. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:49:00.000 So it's absolutely brilliant. to now actually have a you know Dsbs planned for Slap bang in the middle and of the West specific region. 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:11.000 So the local organizing committee, so the activities of Professor Chen and his group are already well underway, and the local organizing committee has been created. 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:15.000 It's a mix of experts from hong Kong and mainland china. 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:21.000 They have already had one, and I think there's another meeting planned really. 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:28.000 Soon. He gave a little update on what has been going on in in the first meeting. 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:35.000 So this was the seventeenth, obviously the first meeting of the local organizing committee for the seventeenth Ds. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:41.000 They had big discussions about International Academic Committee and about clinary speakers. 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:48.000 The really excited, and, you know, open to anyone to kind of email the conferences at Dsb. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:55.000 Dot org an email address. If you have ideas for planary speakers, we want it to be as broad and diverse. 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:10.000 And you know, section people from all over our community and so it would be great. If you can think of people you want to listen to exciting research. This come out that you'd like to hear about Then now is the time because the obviously the 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:16.000 The conference in some ways is going to be built around sections of those plenary speakers. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:24.000 As often The way Now the date for your diaries is the thirteenth to the seventeenth of January in 2025. 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:32.000 Now it was at 1 point going to be in December, 2024, or even a little bit earlier in 2024 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:39.000 But this was selected as a time of year that is actually the most pleasant to be around Hong Kong. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.000 So we wanted to avoid monsoon season and avoid super super hot times of the year. 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:50.000 So this is gonna be a very nice kind of bombing time of the year to be there. 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:59.000 It also avoids Christmas and voids. you know, post New Year travel avoids Chinese New Year, and it also avoids, I think, all but 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:09.000 One or 2 of the religious and festivals that you guys are all kind enough to tell us information about any of the religious commitments to you guys high through the year. 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.000 So I think they did a really good job of actually picking those days. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:20.000 I'm. the registration will be honest Sunday, and and then the program will be 2 days of a meeting. 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:29.000 Oh, the Wednesday will be a mid conference break, and then 2 days of an and another 2 days of academic meetings. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:35.000 In terms of the format and traditional plenary meetings and invited speakers. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.000 Regular talks, I suppose a new addition which what really well It's 16 Dsbs. 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:45.000 Was short talks, and that's going to be continued into 17 Gsvs. 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:51.000 And of course, poster sessions and this session topics is being. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:59.000 They've done a really interesting assessment of previous topics and the But the session topics where we call in our community to come up with ideas of 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:09.000 You know the types of sessions you want to see and the ones that you want to lead and will be open pretty soon in the coming months. 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.000 The website is under design. i've got some schematics and for you to see on the next slide. 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.000 The registration fee. Now this was really impressive. 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:28.000 Frankly, is very similar to 16 dsps and covers and the garlic dinner as well, and hope for Hong Kong to money. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.000 To do this. I can't explain is actually a massive thing. 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:36.000 Think about how much the costs are. Just everything in the world have gone up in recent history. 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.000 So to be able to really pledge to keep that a similar feature. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:56.000 16 Gsbs in 2,025 is is something, and pretty impressive. in addition to that they've also committed to supporting participation, and in one way or another, for almost half the expected participants so they're 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:03.000 expecting 800 participants, and they're kind of trying to make sure that they can support at least half in one way or another. 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:16.000 Maybe not for the full cost, but definitely for a portion, of the cost which I think is again really ambitious, and something that really supports the expansion and the inclusivity that we're aiming for is a society and as 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:22.000 a research community i'm does anyone have any questions or comments about that cause. 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:32.000 Obviously, that's a lot of information in one slide and we have to follow the simple zoom. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.000 And yes, this is your very right on this vessel it's a hybrid conference. 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:51.000 So at the moment given the projections forward from previous conferences to previous imposings, even to the to the one plan for early 2,025, we reckon there's going to be around 800 people the exact 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:58.000 split of how many will turn up in person. This is how many will be present online in a hybrid senses as yet unknown. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.000 Well, and I think that will kind of clarify the closest that we get to the date. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000 But there will be a hybrid component, and the very well sell for that. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:16.000 Actually. and yes, okay. So this is the design for the current design for the website. 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:28.000 I I don't think there's any surprises so you know homepage program sessions, the registration page areas for abstract submissions and for presentation guidelines and a list of sponsors 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:47.000 and and parties information about the venue general background information they're already questions it's gonna be right if accommodation costs available and and update some covid 19 and that's obviously only we're 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.000 hoping that it will be you know, far reduced section of our worries. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:58.000 But you know you never know. so we that will be clarified much close to the date, no doubt. 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.000 But yeah, the website, all the content is being prepared right now. 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:12.000 And that website should be online in the next few months. Obviously, we will communicate all of this to on slack and to the membership directly with emails. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:21.000 So in terms of funding, and obviously Dsps are supporting, and the Dsps and Symposium. 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:26.000 This is not yet transferred, because we are having fun in games with the banks, but it will be very soon. 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:42.000 The University itself is already a secured and you know given quite a lot of money to ensure that this and plan for the symposium goes ahead. There's a lot of personnel support that's going into that There are 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:46.000 plans for applications to the Environment and Conservation Fund. 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.000 So Croucher Foundation and other local and international donors. 00:55:50.000 --> 00:56:03.000 But this is something that we obviously want to coord to make a little bit more, and we will be in talks with Eric and others. And to make sure that we're not essentially as Eric said, attacking those people at the same time for 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:16.000 finance, because that's gonna leave a budget in some people's mouth. No doubt I am shares as asked if the plan is to continue hybrid conferences for this for simple future or to return to in 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:23.000 person, and the was a lot of support for a hybrid conferences. 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:39.000 And when we have had discussions over the last year or so, and I think in terms of accessibility, and enabling the as wide a possible section of our community to, you know, participate in the science and participate in in in networking events 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:45.000 and and such like, which is kind of, you know. one of the reasons why symposia is so important. 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.000 I think online and in person will be around for a very long time, actually. 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:55.000 And I was, I think, about such a really good, you know a great method. 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:11.000 The the Hong Kong local organizing committee are gonna be putting a lot of effort into making sure that the both ron in the same kind of high standards that we got frankly from 16 to sps of course 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:21.000 we'll be as i'm in quite rightly points out we'll be pulling the community to see what community wishes for as well. So the challenge is a slightly meaning that we just had and we've just come from today. 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.000 With an entirely in person meeting. It was not hybrid, and there was some definite pros with that. 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.000 But I also know members of our uk science community that couldn't go for various reasons. 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:41.000 So the clear columns of that as well I mean it's something that I think is gonna be continuing to be part of our kind of working environment. 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:47.000 I'd be surprised if things weren't hybrid so especially for international. 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.000 Oh, yeah, things that we should think about. And this is just a quick picture of the symposium venue. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:58:01.000 So really big. 850 capacity auditorium multiple multi-plish rooms all the way around for a diverse kind of scientific programs that we've got planned. 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:08.000 There. Yeah, it's pretty cool and the and go on Google, where this location is. 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:13.000 By the way, when Professor Chen is on meetings with us, The background picture that he has of this environment is pretty stunning. 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:29.000 So it is a very nice place to go. And so Alicia and our fabulous iversity officer is actually at sea right now, and she did a sterling effort of getting these slides to us, and with very little bandwidth 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:34.000 so much credit to her and also credit for all the activities. 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:44.000 Of course, that she's done in the last year so and internally, and we've been doing dee I am training sessions and for the trustees. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:53.000 We have sure made a long term goals which we've kind of been developing, and we're listed following this training session. 00:58:53.000 --> 00:59:09.000 Of course you would, I hope, be aware of the religious holiday survey, which was to create a calendar to help us plan future events for our society, and it's already been put into use in terms of you know the conferences I've mentioned and certainly meetings that we 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:25.000 have like we have made changes to membership profiles, and if it's be more inclusive, and of course thank you very much to Erin for you know, taking the tournament really doing background investigations on 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:31.000 the methods of doing that, and the the society has fun set aside for continual. 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:39.000 Dei. I work within our society. Because this is something that we, I think, is very important, and have prioritizes the community. 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.000 We also have ongoing diversity spaces. So there is the diversity channel on slack. 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:50.000 And you can email anytime, absolutely anything at all to diversity at Dsp stock org. 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:54.000 And that has been a really useful channel for some people to, you know. 00:59:54.000 --> 01:00:00.000 Add concerns or comments that maybe they don't want to do in a public forum like like the slap channel. 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:19.000 I was thinking that has been very useful indeed and plans for oh, my screen's going all funny and I'll kind of future plans. And while we we want to be obviously using just the system and external moderator feedback to kind of conclude 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:33.000 The next version of this kind of action, that we're developing right now will be opening that up to the society for common and for using our high brain, and which is frankly one of our best assets as a society is all of you 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:37.000 guys and the amazing ideas that you come up with so we'll be opening that out. 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:46.000 And once you've solidified maybe just the framework of it a little bit more obviously, unless he's been at Ceos. we were kind of planning to present that in today. 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:57.000 But that's gonna have to wait just a few more months and we're continuing to work on improve and accessibility of the society and our activities to members, and that's Why, we need a little bit more new information 01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:07.000 metrics from you guys. i'm they're all gonna be specific 17 gsps from set aside to support virtual, and in person attendance. 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:16.000 Which again is big steps towards ensuring all members of our society are able to participate in these important events. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:22.000 I'm we continue to offer society membership fee waivers to those that need it. 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:27.000 And that happens all the time don't be afraid to email us about that. 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:32.000 If you need them. I am yes, diversity communication. 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:37.000 So again, we are gonna be communicating with you guys in the coming months about 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:53.000 Some of the kind of really interesting future I activities that we would like in our society to to consider and we have. we do continue to embrace feedback and suggestions and ideas, and we're it's our pleasure kind of to 01:01:53.000 --> 01:02:01.000 be part of this quite active an all embracing community, and we get feedback and suggestions all the time, and we act on them and take them on board. 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:09.000 So please don't be you know shy it coming forward and the are plans to set up a diversity committee to kind of deepen the D. 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:16.000 I I a work that we do, and, you know, expand the possibilities of inclusion and equity for our members. 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:27.000 So. she's been very busy this year does anyone have any comments on you know all suggestions for things that we can do in the future. 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:44.000 I mean there we are going to be setting up a diversity committee and having a call for members, and very soon, I hope, just check the the notes. Okay, So I will move on to communications. 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:52.000 The marvelous intelligence from. Do you want to take home, or shall I? 01:02:52.000 --> 01:03:06.000 Oh, yes, sure, hi! everyone so i'm very glad to present what's been done after the work of my predecessors Paris and holly, which is here from the grassroots of the society, and so it's 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:11.000 been growing quite steadily, and we have now, a presence on the social media. 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:24.000 That's actually very active, thanks to a Janet Jennifer and Roberts here as well as iron picking Mayor there, taking care of our Twitter and Instagram accounts where we publish all the heads up 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:29.000 about the activities of the society as well as relaying information about our members achievements. 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.000 And and supporting them that way by having them under the spotlight. 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:46.000 So if you have news, if you guys want to be on their spotlights don't hesitate to contact us, and we will kind of advertise the world for you about you. So the public slack team is actually a very large we 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:53.000 have over 900 members, most of them being added during the conference, you know, bursts in registration. 01:03:53.000 --> 01:04:01.000 It's a very active during conference but please feel free to explore the 15 channels that are available to you. 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:08.000 They're not typical for science topics. you raise more like literature, general, generally treacherous. general contents. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:15.000 We have even random channel, or you can, you know, look for mentoring group information. 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:28.000 We are working on developing new ways. of communicating that big slack is still great on the mutations that currently it's been the oldest message of being raised. but it's still a very open resource and you're free to 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:42.000 join it. And following these links on the screen finally with Maya Baker from dosey and other, and in the team we have actually released the latest edition of deep sea life and we it's via this annual 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:52.000 so twice a year addition. So it's on the website along with other resources, and that's the next slide. 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:57.000 So we have actually session to support and advertise our only career and students. 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:06.000 So as a kt and yeah proposed we advertise for them through the meet to the next generation of Dc. 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.000 Researchers, where we again invite you to tell your students. 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:21.000 If your student contact us and write a little blurb about yourself and tell us your aspiration, your inspirations, and then we can actually advertise you on our website and through the social media life. 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.000 After Pg. has been mainly written by fresh PHD. 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:38.000 Graduates. But it would be great if more senior scientists would explain to us how they kind of made this step, this big step in their career, and how their life after Pg was as compared to what it is now from the 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:45.000 experience with regard to their students becoming active in the dipsy community. 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:56.000 So we have resources about the reports from these agms, the awards you can read the meeting the abstracts and the poster lists for the previous conferences. 01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:06.000 All the Dc. life posts out there, including some more resource that intend to expand about where to find grants, where to find interesting. 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:17.000 You know groups that communicate, for example, the doers from the deuce which is a very active group right now, with whom we might. we might collaborate more, and that's something we could put on Poll as well i'm sure there will be 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:26.000 a lot of interest. And actually we are thinking, therefore, of new sections so I don't know if every small slides about the new sections. 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:36.000 Yes, so one thing that I think could be very nice, and that would require your approval would be to let you, as a member, find other members so networking. 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:51.000 But enhance networking. So would you be interesting to find members with similar interests to yours that would, you know, help making new collaboration, or even more interesting, We may be finding members that have different interests, or actually the different. 01:06:51.000 --> 01:07:00.000 Origins different, you know, challenges in their lives that would actually help you find a more diversity in your community like a local network. 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:06.000 And so to do that, we would kind of maybe set a poll for you to ensure about whether you like to be discoverable. 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:12.000 Because in the website this is, we can actually have a set of this simple gadget. 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:18.000 They call it. You know it's a member directory and then you can search for all the categories that you agree to fill in. 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:24.000 So that insert Teresa for Cherries comment on, you know, adding new categories for specific things. 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:30.000 So we could think of anything that's for example professional like precaution, stage or institution. 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:44.000 Your past network, or other topical knowledge interests and actually i'd like to share on the chat here and excel table that I shared with the doors already where there is some sort of prototypic you know 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:51.000 table list that we could expand where you could actually fill up your anything that you think relevant and professional right. 01:07:51.000 --> 01:08:03.000 Don't put your here. Things are sensitive, and so the idea would be then to use this data because it's tetrical data for like actual audiences and help you find your clusters or and find which cluster is more 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:14.000 remote to you, and therefore with whom you might have a nice, you know, interaction by thinking outside of the box and reaching out far, you know, as kind of diversity neighborhood. 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.000 So there will be a poll about that I mean there's one on zoom. 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:25.000 If you guys would like to do it I can actually started. maybe yeah, sure. I mean, well, that's kind of being activated. 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:32.000 I'll give you guys some feedback from obviously people that can't be at this who were here this morning, and not here right now. 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:41.000 So the I mean there was the in deep for those who were familiar with that network which had a lot of this information on it. 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:48.000 So if you filled in a profile and you said you know what your interests were, and what you're expertise was, and you know where you were based. 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.000 And and in that's kind of been taken offline for a while. 01:08:53.000 --> 01:09:02.000 And so one of the suggestions is morning from members was that we contact indoorsi, and you know, perhaps not reinvent the wheel. 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:08.000 But maybe make that information available on on our on our website for our members, at least. 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:19.000 So so that was that was also discussed but and it comes up time and time again, actually about how I I often find you know i'd be like. 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:31.000 Oh, wouldn't it be amazing if with somebody you know in this country that did this Because, you know, these opportunities come up when we could work together, or you know, i'm really interested in finding somebody else expertise in this specific, area. 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:38.000 gee license. I know nothing about So yeah, I can definitely see the utility in it. 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:43.000 Yeah, exactly. And so the poll is quite favorable with 94%. 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:54.000 Yes, 22% participants. So things we will recirculate the idea and maybe propose some, you know, prototypes and see how it works. 01:09:54.000 --> 01:10:05.000 This is similar to the Indie, you know, Dc: experts database that has been inactive according to some of the speakers this morning, or some of the intervenant But so. yeah, this is something we could do 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:15.000 collaboratively with doors Do some doors and Yeah, so do is so one of the other ideas that we've been kicking around is geographic that it'd be great to know where everybody is based 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:22.000 as well, and I am constantly surprised by you? know and also people move quite a lot, don't they? 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:30.000 Each way to find it, and people in Dc. often are the deep see person in the department, and on part of like a massive deep sea home. 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:39.000 I don't get me wrong, it'd be great for more Dc: hobbies. but the majority of us are like a one-off in a larger institute, and that makes you know networking, just a little bit more difficult but also 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:45.000 harder to find. So yes, and the the do is is 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:53.000 Another section of our community that will be reaching out to and yeah, and then to finish briefly. 01:10:53.000 --> 01:11:03.000 So slack is great as i said it's it's kind of accumulating messages and the oldest i'll be we don't have a pro account, but and they're actually they're nice general 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:07.000 comments mostly active, of those for the conferences and that is currently one topical channel. 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:11.000 So don't hesitate to create channels for topics of interest. 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:23.000 Like, For example, if you were with a particular group of I suppose, or whatever just feel free to create this and an alternative, if that gets too crowded, would be to actually set up another gadget on the website, forum So you know this 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.000 could forums all style Internet, all style. But some, some people are comfortable with that. 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:31.000 Some are not. I think it could be, you know, an alternative. 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:35.000 And could host more data i'm not sure how how that would work because it could. 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.000 Did confuse you to have too many places to look at. 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:55.000 So maybe we'll Yeah, we when we were talking about this with the trustees. It was and there was kind of you know, a a group of still that expanding you know using the slack channel which is clearly very successful 01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:00.000 and and like maybe using it in a different way, and having kind of threads off. 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:09.000 That was a really good idea. The downside was that every so often the old messages get totally deleted, and and that we do have a website, and that can have a full room section. 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:17.000 It's just that. And would people use it because as we do focus on slack a little bit more potentially than the website. 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:24.000 So this is why there was kind of a dichotomy of opinions. 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:35.000 Thank you that's it for the communications and if you have actually a slide last slide is about at the end of the of the when that closes if you use the browser to log in you 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:48.000 will have actually a little questions about that meeting and actually if you have any other thing to ask for Again, if you want to be in their spotlight, the don't hesitate to contact us 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:56.000 Thank you. Fabulous? Yeah, I am that came up at the end of the last meeting. 01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:02.000 So he's working thank you so much frank honestly it's been such 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:11.000 It's been a really big effort this year like the social media is is really taking off, and that's because of the dedicated approach of you know, and everybody that's been mentioned today. 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:20.000 Really, I am sorry this kind of brings us smoothly onto potentially an expansion of society, provided services. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:26.000 So this is you know things that aren't happening in our society that you've thought about anything might be a really useful thing. 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:33.000 We're well placed to help with all you know well place to do for example. 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:39.000 So this is a quick list of all the things we've you know been up to and works in progress. 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:54.000 I've mentioned the the Edi training. i've mentioned the overall bit more flexible for our members, and more inclusive with clearly love from the social media website. 01:13:54.000 --> 01:14:04.000 Now we would like to develop the Member State space as we've talked about and making reaches potentially easier to find or a map. 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:20.000 Potentially. we need to speak to do is outlaw because there's a really cool one in morning. we'd like to. So this is something that was kicked around, and internally, team meetings and actually when we 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.000 mentioned it this morning. it actually it got quite a lot of fraction. 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:29.000 So through the challenge of 1 15, the decade of the ocean initiatives. 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:40.000 There is the opportunity, because there is a big focus there on developing global South and kind of participation in in our type of research. 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:46.000 So we would, We were considering developing an extra final got it, too. 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:55.000 Participate in the to kind of get more learning and we felt that masters was a gap and also to encourage local networks. 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.000 So there's like a few little ideas that are kind of crystallizing. 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:11.000 But it would be great to kind of get your opinion on that or thoughts on that even now, or you know in weeks to calm, because this is a kind of things that we're going to be actively focusing on in in in kind of 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:23.000 the next few months, and next year definitely i'm the other thing was, I mean, this has been kicked around for a really long time finding methods of reducing the cost of publication for our members. 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:27.000 Now i've got a few more slides about that so i'll put a pin in that discussion. 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:46.000 But for now, if there's any discussions, or thoughts on developing extra finance for students, or encouraging local networks, plus please you know, raise your voice, or just on mute and and and give me your source it doesn't have to 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:57.000 be, but I will be reaching out to people in the coming weeks and months to try and get together, and maybe kind of a development. 01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:09.000 Initiative for the society to find finance. to do this, or at least a call about the idea in a much clear way. 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:15.000 Okay, in that case. Oh, yes, of course. So what the site you need from the membership now? 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:23.000 Obviously we are all volunteers. I mean I know that we are a professional, smooth operating machine, but believe it or not, we don't get paid for this. 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:36.000 So. we do very much appreciate all of the communications for our members, and you guys have always given us constructive comments and suggestions and ideas, and we're very thankful for that I'm i've already. 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:45.000 Asked if it's possible for some more established researchers who are willing to serve as mentors that would be absolutely brilliant, and please get in contact. I believe some already have i'm getting messages through in the background. 01:16:45.000 --> 01:17:02.000 Like support by maintaining an act with Member State. This is probably really King because the membership fees are the one steady source of income that make sure all of the society provided services like you know, having a zoom account and 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:10.000 maintaining the website and making sure that, and we can give out when the grants to some amazing students that we do. 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:17.000 Of course, and volunteer, you know, if you want to help with any of these activities, and it is a big job. 01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:22.000 So if you do have some Spa community time, that would be amazing. 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:29.000 And obviously, if you feel really strongly, about any of these things, then you know, you can act on them or just email us, and we will try and act from them for you. 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.000 So there's lots of different officer and emails all of them are on the website or email. 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:41.000 Our secretary at Dsp Sock, Dot, Org, and Alexis will point you in the right direction. 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:47.000 So to the questions into the discussions. Now, potential discussions for talk discussion topics. 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:57.000 So in terms of development of the society. One thing that came up with the Uk special interest group that we had on Monday because it was linked with a challenge. 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:06.000 Society was school. So oh, it says my internet's unstable I hope it's okay. 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:16.000 No, it's. Okay, I am score is an international forum, and a lot of countries have country level representation. 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:20.000 Now they do have a fund of 45,000 Us. 01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:24.000 Dollars for 3 years of meetings. so 15,000 Us. dollars a year. 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:40.000 It has to be international. it has to be working on useful challenges and have only to output. So examples with loads of examples on the school website of things that they funded is to do with standardization of methods or tools it can 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:47.000 be to develop coinage science. it's kind of got to be new, maybe developing important databases. 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:52.000 It's to do with getting people together to work on the same problem. 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:59.000 So, and we wanted to flag this because they Don't have many applications coming from our community from the Dc. 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:10.000 Research community. So we just wanted to put that out there as something that if this, if you've got an idea when you think Oh, I've been looking for this time to funding that type of funding is available I hadn't heard of 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:14.000 it needed a lot of people so that's why we thought we would raise it today. 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:20.000 The other thing that I would like to flag is the potential of a deep sea biology journal. 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:30.000 Now, when I was in a room with people today, it was absolutely brilliant, because you could see eyes rolling, and people would be like, Oh, my God! not this topic again cause unbeknownst to me. 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.000 This has been talked about, apparently, for about 10 years. 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:51.000 So we We are past the the you know the the burning flame of maybe this being an idea of making sure there was an option for our society members to publish in a relatively cheap way and i've got a 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:59.000 few more slides to talk about with that But if there are any other ideas apart from this deep Z biology journal, which I think we're gonna go on to talk about now. 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:08.000 But if there are other things as a society you think we should do, or you know ideas that we're well placed to pursue things we can help you with. 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:24.000 Really please reach out to us, or you know raise you know your hands right now, and and because we are we're pretty active, and we're super keen, and we want to support our community in any ways that we can so i'm looking at 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:29.000 the chat, We are a smooth operating machine cherries. 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.000 Oh, yeah, I felt a little bit less so this morning when nothing worked in the room. 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:41.000 But yeah, Normally, we try okay, so it's been discussed a lot. 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:44.000 So how just to support cheaper publication of Dc. 01:20:44.000 --> 01:21:00.000 Biology research. we went through obviously impact factor please we have the discussion about impact factor a lot because a lot of the free journals, as you will see on this graph, and very low and impact factors and publication costs are 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:07.000 enormous and I didn't even like didn't bother putting on the latest nature one for instance, because that was like 12,000 Us. 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:11.000 Dollars. So I just thought that this is a good thing to look at. 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:19.000 So you can see that there is okay. I have a tiny little trend with increasing fat factor and publication cost, but the publication costs are thousands of us. 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:24.000 Dollars. Now we've been approached as a society by Pierre J. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:29.000 As some background for Pj. if you're not familiar with that journal. 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.000 They are one of the cheaper journals out there. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:39.000 Yeah, they are pretty well known. you the papers to publish Ira 1,395 Us. 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:47.000 Dollars. They have an an interesting kind of funding structure, where, if you make yourself a lifetime member, which is 399 Us. 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:55.000 Dollars. You can get one publication per year free Now, if you do single also applications which let's face in the Gpc. 01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:07.000 World is pretty unheard of, because we are collaborative I'm. you would need all of the authors and to also be members to be able to access that free publication. 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:17.000 The the kind of structure that they talk about is for instance, a pi having a lifetime membership, and when somebody knew John's a lab. 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:24.000 They also have a lifetime membership and Then anybody publishes in that kind of essentially publish for free. 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:35.000 So that's kind of their structure that's how they work outside of this society system, so that offer to us as a society would be to use their name. 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:43.000 So we wouldn't have the you know and deep see biology, Society Journal, as the journal title. 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:49.000 It would be published under the name pj there's an example that's given to the right hand side of your screen. 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:56.000 So the branding would be very much like on a on online presence would be very much around our deep sea biology. 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.000 Society. And so we would use that name and that website framework. 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:21.000 And obviously that would include support in indexing in the online presence in paper management, which is a huge kind of job onto itself. and and our community would provide editorial board and clearly associate editors and reviews now the papers would 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.000 be 1,395, and us dollars. 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:30.000 But the community would get a 100 us dollar discount so it'd be slightly cheaper. 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.000 But we would in discussions. One of the suggestions is come up. 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:43.000 Is that that that 100 Us. dollar discount would be put into a pot to support global South members, to essentially publish at all cause. 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:52.000 Ultimately, and That's what we're trying to do is find a cheap way of publishing in a journal that has, you know, a level of respect. 01:23:52.000 --> 01:24:02.000 And Qdos that I mean I wish it wasn't so but I I we know that people value in fact, and they value the name of these journals. 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:11.000 So this is one of the options now. I also went down a rabbit hole of of and to be honest, it was. 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:16.000 It was really interesting, so it's been kicked around for a long time, is starting our own journal. 01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:29.000 Obviously we have deep sea research, which is fantastic, and once you create is, you know, the editor in chief, and he was on there on the on the on the meeting this morning, and he made it very clear. 01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:34.000 It is an enormous job. at being editor of a journal, and managing that. 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:47.000 So we're not taking these type of discussions lightly It is going to be a really big job for for individuals in society and all members as a whole. 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.000 Now I looked into the mechanics of this because I was curious. 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:53.000 It was like people say that you can run journals pretty cheap. 01:24:53.000 --> 01:25:00.000 But can you actually do it? And so there is a federally funded software designed to support the setup as a Us. 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:10.000 Federal funded software to just put the set up for management of open access journals and called the Public Knowledge Project So that is available for anybody. 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:13.000 We would, of course, need an editorial board as we would need with Pj. 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:18.000 And associate editors the differences that they probably would have been able to be paid. 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:23.000 And it does take time. Remember, we would have to manage submissions now. 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.000 I looked into the cost of some of the submission management software and 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:29.000 One of the costs I got was 38,000 Us. 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.000 Dollars, which I thought was extraordinary, and I started googling. 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:48.000 I tried to find people that run open journals and free journals, and they they have this amazing equivalent called, and Google excel sheets. where they manage all of the submissions, and who is doing what in a 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:53.000 more open source way. That was a relief. Obviously we. 01:25:53.000 --> 01:26:02.000 If this was to occur, this general would need an iss number and loads of even the ins and numbers at national level from load to different institutes in the Uk. 01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:08.000 That's the British library. and the way that you give articles do I? 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:12.000 So that they are findable is on Xanada. 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:19.000 Now, obviously this has been discussed time and time again, and it is a big topic. 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:26.000 And there are a lot of moving parts of it my suggestion i'm just briefing gone over some of the background research. 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:37.000 I've done into this, but my suggestion, would be that a subcommittee of our view of our of our society is, and like cool to arms, and we sit down. 01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:53.000 And we kind of really get into the nitty, gritty details of this, and make decision frankly as a society, because this this idea has raised its head so many times, and we we really do want to find ways to support cheaper publications if 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:59.000 not, you know, in free publication. So one of the ideas was is that you pay a nominal fee like a 100 200 Us. 01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:09.000 Dollars, and that money goes directly to students within our community to, for instance, format and make any papers look like professional papers. 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.000 And before they put on the website, for instance. so there were tons. 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:27.000 You can see that there's so many different options and ways that they still got all that i'm gonna open the floor to thought because last time, you know, we're gonna start a subcommittee, and to have these discussions But if anyone has any you 01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:39.000 know immediate thoughts on this and now would be this time, or you can save from the subcommittee. 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:48.000 So this morning the one of the primary worries, I think, was the 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:59.000 The the workload that this would involve, and for members of our kind of society alternatives, such as plus one. 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:04.000 We mentioned. it cost 1,200 Us. dollars to position, plus one. 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:07.000 So you know our we reinventing Something that could be done. 01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:22.000 That's being done already, and would we have enough support for this we would need people, senior members frankly of the our community, to publish in these papers, and to commit to publishing these papers for a few years before to be 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:29.000 able to enable us to get an impact factor. that we're then kind of create its own orbit. 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:38.000 So I don't know how people feel about that there are any thoughts. 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:43.000 Yes, yes, I am. She is very right. The paper reviewing system is crashing. 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.000 A crazy button I can find a review is, if we do this route. 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:52.000 Could we do something different with reviewers like minimum number of reviews for accountability and benefit? 01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:57.000 Most certainly something to get the community supporting and timing, not just inexpensive options. 01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:06.000 Another idea could be, Could there be a more expensive application option, so that those with money can offset other publications like a carbon credit structure? 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.000 So yeah, And then that was actually this this morning as well. 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:25.000 Maybe maybe maybe we stick with it being a so one of the things that Kerry Howell mentioned Oh, quite rightly, is that there is a minimal cost if you pay people to do a good job. 01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:32.000 So if you pay people to be in edit on an associate editor, and to, you know, have a bit more of that background support, Maybe a 1,000 Us. 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:49.000 Dollars is actually just the cost of getting that job done. The difference is that if you had your own society hold on, stop So, for instance, the fishery society of the Uk. 01:29:49.000 --> 01:30:02.000 Have fought off and wily to maintain their copyright rights over the over the outputs that they have to ensure that that money comes back into their society, and they pay for 3 PHD. 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:08.000 Student ships year from it. so it's keeping the finance in house is, I think, a priority. 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:16.000 But that's the option. Do you go super cheap, or do you create something that you know is going to be of an equitable cost to plus one? 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:31.000 But at least the money is coming back to our community so these It's really tough isn't it I just I just think of it has to be away to help people publish, because it's getting extraordinarily difficult right 01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:50.000 Unfortunately, Well, thank you for your comments. in there I'm gonna put a call out for people to join the subcommittee, and what I will provide is my background research and more information and new edges. will document that people can put their ideas. 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:58.000 In, so that we can go into that subcommittee kind of with a little bit more knowledge about how things work in the costings and such like. 01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:12.000 Cause it would be good to just make a decision and you know. Go ahead, go ahead Helpful leather with this or to put this discussion to bed, and on to one side, because I believe it's been it's been raising its head 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:18.000 intermittently for very long time. Sorry, final words. Wow! 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:26.000 I just wanna thank everybody frankly, and for all of the working effort the trustees have done this year, and for all of our members as well. 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:33.000 You know you you guys do reach out with some really cool ideas and with suggestions, and also with help and support. 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.000 When we you know, come up against some walls we don't know what to do. 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:43.000 So it's wonderful to be part of this community. and I like the people are the best thing about this society. 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:59.000 So yeah, just thank you very much. You are gonna get an email with all of the different polls and the financial one being possibly the most important one, because we need those always be able to pass the finances and and close the accounts 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:05.000 for that year. So I those are my final words you all and i'm very much. 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:14.000 Look forward to seeing you guys in the future. in more threed. I hope, and I thought it might be a nice idea to just have a quick picture before we go. 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:24.000 That's okay. So we did. We did what this morning, which was pretty comedy because we had to squeeze 15 people into a tiny area to get make sure that they were included online. 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:31.000 Alright. let me see if I can I was stop sharing and see everybody's faces. 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:44.000 So nice to see you guys. Hello, Oh, honestly is this it's a sad side of our time, isn't it? 01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:50.000 I am genuinely super happy to see faces 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:55.000 Well look. Thank you so much. Everybody really appreciate your time today. 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:59.000 I'm just gonna do a quick screenshot of all the people to make sure they do screenshots, too. 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:05.000 Just we've got some backups i'm gonna save that to my desktop. 01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:08.000 I'm gonna do another one right is everyone ready big cheesy grins. 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:14.000 I really want to see a lot of tea. Lots of teeth, please, please. 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:28.000 This morning, we said, for amy falls I went I went with coral, but you know he'll be so happy that we said for Nick, for us I can't say it that's Why, they said it this 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:34.000 morning. anyway. Look, Thank you so much. Everybody we! 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:45.000 This is anything you guys need. Please reach out to us on slack or by email, and I don't know what time zone everybody is but have a good morning afternoon and evening. 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.000 And I hope to see you soon. Thank you for attending absolutely. 01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:59.000 Weekend have a time on this bye.